racing question. not quite like the other one.
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06-05-2011, 08:46 AM
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I would expect a road rally car to win, rally car's accelerate insanely fast. There's a kid around here with a cobalt SS that always paces by my house or up and down a common route I ride. I think he's waiting to see what the ol' F4I has got but I don't think I'm going to bother. But if the conditions are right and I feel ok about it I'll gladly wipe the smile from his face haha. My boss has a Ferrari 430 though that I feel might be something to tackle. He also has a BMW Z8 Alpina with 500hp. I think either of those cars would probably cause some grief for most of the bikes I've seen around me.
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OK, I'm going to post here, since it's on a race track, it makes it ok right? if not Mod feel free to delete my post. Here we go...
A bunch of guys I know get together and do Auto-X on weekends through a sanctioned body at an old Air force base; so lots of tarmac and cones. Well a couple weekends last season, after a day of attacking the cones, they decide to have drag races across the tarmac, about 1/2mile of actual race track, and then a little under a hundred yards to slow down. Here is what lined up.
Corvette Z06 (two of them), a C5 corvette, 1978 corvette, Porsche GT3 (two of them), turbo miata, supercharged miata, a WRX, a STi, misc. mustangs of all years and builds, a cobra kit car, SVT focus, Mini coopers and one rental Honda civic. Next to them were two recent 600cc sport bikes. Heres what happened every time.
the AWD cars were ahead out of the gates, but quickly passed by the high horsepower RWD cars once they could put down the power, then the 600's would pass them, coming to the end the 600's would wait until the last possible second then put on the binders. This process was repeated multiple times, and the outcome was more or less the same. 0-30mph AWD, 30-90mph RWD, 90mph+ motorcycles. The Z06's and GT3's would actually start to catch up with the bikes towards the end of the run, maybe if it was a mile long run the Z06's and GT3's would have won, but the way it was the bikes were winning, heres why I think it happened this way. Power to weight ratios; including rider say the bikes have a 5lb to 1hp ratio, the only vehicles close to that are the Z06 and the GT3, so in an equal race, with equal rider/driver ability, the bikes will have it until wind resistance starts to take over or the motorcycles run out of RPM/speed. The AWD cars get the hole shot because they can put down the most power right off the bat. These guys all know how to drive, so driver ability isnt really an issue here.
As I mentioned, this was on a race course, with a sanctioned body, and all participants were wearing the appropriate safety gear. I in no way approve of or suggest these actions be repeated outside of a track environment.
It is my opionion that a 600cc sport bike will be faster than any cage on wheels that doesnt have either a better power to weight ratio or a better driver.
A bunch of guys I know get together and do Auto-X on weekends through a sanctioned body at an old Air force base; so lots of tarmac and cones. Well a couple weekends last season, after a day of attacking the cones, they decide to have drag races across the tarmac, about 1/2mile of actual race track, and then a little under a hundred yards to slow down. Here is what lined up.
Corvette Z06 (two of them), a C5 corvette, 1978 corvette, Porsche GT3 (two of them), turbo miata, supercharged miata, a WRX, a STi, misc. mustangs of all years and builds, a cobra kit car, SVT focus, Mini coopers and one rental Honda civic. Next to them were two recent 600cc sport bikes. Heres what happened every time.
the AWD cars were ahead out of the gates, but quickly passed by the high horsepower RWD cars once they could put down the power, then the 600's would pass them, coming to the end the 600's would wait until the last possible second then put on the binders. This process was repeated multiple times, and the outcome was more or less the same. 0-30mph AWD, 30-90mph RWD, 90mph+ motorcycles. The Z06's and GT3's would actually start to catch up with the bikes towards the end of the run, maybe if it was a mile long run the Z06's and GT3's would have won, but the way it was the bikes were winning, heres why I think it happened this way. Power to weight ratios; including rider say the bikes have a 5lb to 1hp ratio, the only vehicles close to that are the Z06 and the GT3, so in an equal race, with equal rider/driver ability, the bikes will have it until wind resistance starts to take over or the motorcycles run out of RPM/speed. The AWD cars get the hole shot because they can put down the most power right off the bat. These guys all know how to drive, so driver ability isnt really an issue here.
As I mentioned, this was on a race course, with a sanctioned body, and all participants were wearing the appropriate safety gear. I in no way approve of or suggest these actions be repeated outside of a track environment.
It is my opionion that a 600cc sport bike will be faster than any cage on wheels that doesnt have either a better power to weight ratio or a better driver.
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06-06-2011, 02:50 PM
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06-06-2011, 02:54 PM
OK, I'm going to post here, since it's on a race track, it makes it ok right? if not Mod feel free to delete my post. Here we go...
A bunch of guys I know get together and do Auto-X on weekends through a sanctioned body at an old Air force base; so lots of tarmac and cones. Well a couple weekends last season, after a day of attacking the cones, they decide to have drag races across the tarmac, about 1/2mile of actual race track, and then a little under a hundred yards to slow down. Here is what lined up.
Corvette Z06 (two of them), a C5 corvette, 1978 corvette, Porsche GT3 (two of them), turbo miata, supercharged miata, a WRX, a STi, misc. mustangs of all years and builds, a cobra kit car, SVT focus, Mini coopers and one rental Honda civic. Next to them were two recent 600cc sport bikes. Heres what happened every time.
the AWD cars were ahead out of the gates, but quickly passed by the high horsepower RWD cars once they could put down the power, then the 600's would pass them, coming to the end the 600's would wait until the last possible second then put on the binders. This process was repeated multiple times, and the outcome was more or less the same. 0-30mph AWD, 30-90mph RWD, 90mph+ motorcycles. The Z06's and GT3's would actually start to catch up with the bikes towards the end of the run, maybe if it was a mile long run the Z06's and GT3's would have won, but the way it was the bikes were winning, heres why I think it happened this way. Power to weight ratios; including rider say the bikes have a 5lb to 1hp ratio, the only vehicles close to that are the Z06 and the GT3, so in an equal race, with equal rider/driver ability, the bikes will have it until wind resistance starts to take over or the motorcycles run out of RPM/speed. The AWD cars get the hole shot because they can put down the most power right off the bat. These guys all know how to drive, so driver ability isnt really an issue here.
As I mentioned, this was on a race course, with a sanctioned body, and all participants were wearing the appropriate safety gear. I in no way approve of or suggest these actions be repeated outside of a track environment.
It is my opionion that a 600cc sport bike will be faster than any cage on wheels that doesnt have either a better power to weight ratio or a better driver.
A bunch of guys I know get together and do Auto-X on weekends through a sanctioned body at an old Air force base; so lots of tarmac and cones. Well a couple weekends last season, after a day of attacking the cones, they decide to have drag races across the tarmac, about 1/2mile of actual race track, and then a little under a hundred yards to slow down. Here is what lined up.
Corvette Z06 (two of them), a C5 corvette, 1978 corvette, Porsche GT3 (two of them), turbo miata, supercharged miata, a WRX, a STi, misc. mustangs of all years and builds, a cobra kit car, SVT focus, Mini coopers and one rental Honda civic. Next to them were two recent 600cc sport bikes. Heres what happened every time.
the AWD cars were ahead out of the gates, but quickly passed by the high horsepower RWD cars once they could put down the power, then the 600's would pass them, coming to the end the 600's would wait until the last possible second then put on the binders. This process was repeated multiple times, and the outcome was more or less the same. 0-30mph AWD, 30-90mph RWD, 90mph+ motorcycles. The Z06's and GT3's would actually start to catch up with the bikes towards the end of the run, maybe if it was a mile long run the Z06's and GT3's would have won, but the way it was the bikes were winning, heres why I think it happened this way. Power to weight ratios; including rider say the bikes have a 5lb to 1hp ratio, the only vehicles close to that are the Z06 and the GT3, so in an equal race, with equal rider/driver ability, the bikes will have it until wind resistance starts to take over or the motorcycles run out of RPM/speed. The AWD cars get the hole shot because they can put down the most power right off the bat. These guys all know how to drive, so driver ability isnt really an issue here.
As I mentioned, this was on a race course, with a sanctioned body, and all participants were wearing the appropriate safety gear. I in no way approve of or suggest these actions be repeated outside of a track environment.
It is my opionion that a 600cc sport bike will be faster than any cage on wheels that doesnt have either a better power to weight ratio or a better driver.
With the bikes being 0-60mph in 3 or so seconds I would have assumed they would have pulled away earlier then the 90mph mark?
Anyways, I bet that was a fun time for sure with some nice vehicles.
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06-06-2011, 03:59 PM
It's all about acceleration. Look at a race track for example. You can brake later going into a turn, turn quicker, and accelerate faster than most any car like SPR said.
About the only way I'd personally think I'd lose, is over an 1/8th mile. Because I have no confidence launching my bike.
About the only way I'd personally think I'd lose, is over an 1/8th mile. Because I have no confidence launching my bike.