What does it feel like when your steering bearings start to wear
#21
06-10-2011, 12:06 AM
Huh ?
Whatsat ?
A gel battery ? I thought gel was stuff that pimply faced teenagers put on their hair.
Yamean they make bike batteries out of that stuff ? Well, bugger me !
D'ya think if I buy a bottle and shove it in my Exide/Willard it'll do the job ?
This's AFRICA Mate
The postman wears a bone in his nose and a loincloth, oh and flipflops.......
And the thatch roof on my hut is falling out after the rain and it SMELLS
In all honesty, I've yet to find a gel battery locally for bikes - for cars- sure. For boats - absolutely. None for bikes, but I'll saddle up the mule, and go hunting
It's a great idea. I guess postage would be a bugger, eh............
It'd probably cost a bomb too, considering a new Arai is +$1000 US here.....
All the smilies are for Steve-o...............................
Cheer up Mate
Whatsat ?
A gel battery ? I thought gel was stuff that pimply faced teenagers put on their hair.
Yamean they make bike batteries out of that stuff ? Well, bugger me !
D'ya think if I buy a bottle and shove it in my Exide/Willard it'll do the job ?
This's AFRICA Mate
The postman wears a bone in his nose and a loincloth, oh and flipflops.......
And the thatch roof on my hut is falling out after the rain and it SMELLS
In all honesty, I've yet to find a gel battery locally for bikes - for cars- sure. For boats - absolutely. None for bikes, but I'll saddle up the mule, and go hunting
It's a great idea. I guess postage would be a bugger, eh............
It'd probably cost a bomb too, considering a new Arai is +$1000 US here.....
All the smilies are for Steve-o...............................
Cheer up Mate
#22
06-10-2011, 03:11 AM
Hey:
"considering a new Arai is +$1000 US here"
Well Mate I hope you find a AGM battery cheaper than that cost comparison.
Also I have been to Durban, Sun City and Jo berg (Kyalami), They are in Africa but not the Jungle that most think of when the word Africa comes to mind. Pretty Nice, large, modern cities not to many thatched huts in there.
I knew it was expensive for some imported things but not that much of a diff.
A powersports 14x AGM battery for a jetski, 4 wheeler, or mower should do you just fine, if the price is right.
Good Luck on your search
Dub
"considering a new Arai is +$1000 US here"
Well Mate I hope you find a AGM battery cheaper than that cost comparison.
Also I have been to Durban, Sun City and Jo berg (Kyalami), They are in Africa but not the Jungle that most think of when the word Africa comes to mind. Pretty Nice, large, modern cities not to many thatched huts in there.
I knew it was expensive for some imported things but not that much of a diff.
A powersports 14x AGM battery for a jetski, 4 wheeler, or mower should do you just fine, if the price is right.
Good Luck on your search
Dub
#23
06-10-2011, 03:45 AM
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Shadow:
Huh ?
Whatsat ?
A gel battery ? I thought gel was stuff that pimply faced teenagers put on their hair.
Yamean they make bike batteries out of that stuff ? Well, bugger me !
D'ya think if I buy a bottle and shove it in my Exide/Willard it'll do the job ?
This's AFRICA Mate
The postman wears a bone in his nose and a loincloth, oh and flipflops.......
And the thatch roof on my hut is falling out after the rain and it SMELLS
In all honesty, I've yet to find a gel battery locally for bikes - for cars- sure. For boats - absolutely. None for bikes, but I'll saddle up the mule, and go hunting
It's a great idea. I guess postage would be a bugger, eh............
It'd probably cost a bomb too, considering a new Arai is +$1000 US here.....
All the smilies are for Steve-o...............................
Cheer up Mate
Huh ?
Whatsat ?
A gel battery ? I thought gel was stuff that pimply faced teenagers put on their hair.
Yamean they make bike batteries out of that stuff ? Well, bugger me !
D'ya think if I buy a bottle and shove it in my Exide/Willard it'll do the job ?
This's AFRICA Mate
The postman wears a bone in his nose and a loincloth, oh and flipflops.......
And the thatch roof on my hut is falling out after the rain and it SMELLS
In all honesty, I've yet to find a gel battery locally for bikes - for cars- sure. For boats - absolutely. None for bikes, but I'll saddle up the mule, and go hunting
It's a great idea. I guess postage would be a bugger, eh............
It'd probably cost a bomb too, considering a new Arai is +$1000 US here.....
All the smilies are for Steve-o...............................
Cheer up Mate
om good ... I am going to post up some good news in the thread about me o'l mate Max in a few minutes .... but chit, I miss the old bugger real bad hey ...
Mate I just put a gel mat in mine for $65.00 AUD
They are available online , but if they cost a ton ? , gimmie a yell and o'l send one to yu ...dunno what shipping would be though ???
HenryM:
I know you're feeling a bit tender at the moment Steve-o, understandably.
I meant what I said though. Your words are spot on.
I know you're feeling a bit tender at the moment Steve-o, understandably.
I meant what I said though. Your words are spot on.
I am by no means advocating a no , or bad maintenance schedule is good !!
....I think , rather than that , o'm just trying to let a few guys know that these old CBR'S are tougher than some think ... and that without ripping them apart , which as Pete said is quite annoying for all us guys that really have NO off season , they are good to go even in the worst case's allot of the time ....
and BTW , I finally bit the bullet and ordered my new rubber and chain ect , but she will have to gimmie at least one more week at least on the old chit...there is a great winter week end coming up ...!!!PS / sorry to post up yet again in almost full sentences Henry ??
All's good mate ....
.....
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#24
06-10-2011, 06:10 AM
I don't know if I've ever seen such intense wisdom in any thread in this here mad house to date.
Pete, not only do I get your drift I whole heartedly advocate it for the same reasons you do. My riding is a 24/7365 thing too despite the ****e winters we get here. At least we don't get cooked at gas mark 8 like you southern hemi people do but yeah..... my tinkering is restricted mostly to a day at a time and she must be ready to ride in the morning.
I know you and Steve have the same approach but it's been interesting to see you both wearing your spanners on your sleeve....so to speak.
Getting back slightly to the point of all this, I got some string out last night and checked wheel alignment. After careful set up I measured about 4 mm misalignment at the front wheel. This equated to less than 1/2 a turn on the brake side chain adjuster to correct. Nothing to write home about you might think. You could hardly see the difference on the adjuster marks.
Riding along one of my favourite twisties this morning the difference was quite noticeable. Razor sharp cornering in both directions even in the rain. Note to self. Don't be so blahzeh setting up back wheel in future.
Anyway with 84K miles fast approaching on my old girl, I'll be looking after her as usual and riding every day until the world stops turning.
Long live our rocket donkeys.
Make sure you give us a big grin when you've got your new bits fitted Steve. It may just be the pep up you need right now or at least help. Don't worry about the sentence thing, I'm sure it'll pass.
Pete, not only do I get your drift I whole heartedly advocate it for the same reasons you do. My riding is a 24/7365 thing too despite the ****e winters we get here. At least we don't get cooked at gas mark 8 like you southern hemi people do but yeah..... my tinkering is restricted mostly to a day at a time and she must be ready to ride in the morning.
I know you and Steve have the same approach but it's been interesting to see you both wearing your spanners on your sleeve....so to speak.
Getting back slightly to the point of all this, I got some string out last night and checked wheel alignment. After careful set up I measured about 4 mm misalignment at the front wheel. This equated to less than 1/2 a turn on the brake side chain adjuster to correct. Nothing to write home about you might think. You could hardly see the difference on the adjuster marks.
Riding along one of my favourite twisties this morning the difference was quite noticeable. Razor sharp cornering in both directions even in the rain. Note to self. Don't be so blahzeh setting up back wheel in future.
Anyway with 84K miles fast approaching on my old girl, I'll be looking after her as usual and riding every day until the world stops turning.
Long live our rocket donkeys.
Make sure you give us a big grin when you've got your new bits fitted Steve. It may just be the pep up you need right now or at least help. Don't worry about the sentence thing, I'm sure it'll pass.
#25
06-10-2011, 07:10 AM
Hey:
"considering a new Arai is +$1000 US here"
Well Mate I hope you find a AGM battery cheaper than that cost comparison.
Also I have been to Durban, Sun City and Jo berg (Kyalami), They are in Africa but not the Jungle that most think of when the word Africa comes to mind. Pretty Nice, large, modern cities not to many thatched huts in there.
I knew it was expensive for some imported things but not that much of a diff.
A powersports 14x AGM battery for a jetski, 4 wheeler, or mower should do you just fine, if the price is right.
Good Luck on your search
Dub
"considering a new Arai is +$1000 US here"
Well Mate I hope you find a AGM battery cheaper than that cost comparison.
Also I have been to Durban, Sun City and Jo berg (Kyalami), They are in Africa but not the Jungle that most think of when the word Africa comes to mind. Pretty Nice, large, modern cities not to many thatched huts in there.
I knew it was expensive for some imported things but not that much of a diff.
A powersports 14x AGM battery for a jetski, 4 wheeler, or mower should do you just fine, if the price is right.
Good Luck on your search
Dub
And no I don't have pedals under my computer desk to give me electric power
We have a thieving electrical company called Eskom (monopoly) pffft pain in the as-s.Sin City is nice - I played golf there a few years back, and Jo'burg, well, it'll never change.
I lived in Benoni for many years and came back here for the Babes, the weather (sub-tropical) and the beach .....hehe
I'll see if I can find a gel battery but well all we can do is hope.
And no the postman doesn't wear a loincloth - he's a she, and quite nice too
I THINK A GAME OF "POSTMAN'S KNOCK" MAY BE IN ORDER......Quote Don't worry about the sentence thing, I'm sure it'll pass.
Dammit Henry now I have coffee all over my screen.....
(and up my nose) **** - a real Classic joke if you'll pardon the pun.....
Good onyer Steve-o !
It's a bugger when people think you're illiterate because you're a Tradie (my son's words not mine, he's a Tradie too) AND A NEW AUSSIE AND LOVING IT.
when we all know you like short things, sentences, drinks, rides, sex
OMG don't go there ! hehe Anyway the diatribe was well written, indeed, and long may it continue.....
Here's a new Aussie who I hope will make more money than his Grandad.....
my 4 year old near Perth. Name of Cathan. Styling !
#26
06-10-2011, 06:44 PM
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Hey Pete .... he's a good looking kid mate ...
4 and about to hit a 4 hey ..lolol
Can't have got his looks from you though ?? lol
Yer , well yu get used to some people thinking that Pete , but hey at the end of the day , who gives a **** what they think ....
Om glad you left out a mention of my un unmentionable's as being short too.....!!! that would have been below the belt..lol.. and far to much information ....
Glad to here that you did the string thing Henry ... a little alignment can make ALL the difference when sliding in the wet on ****ed tires at high speed mate .... LOLOL
take care guys ....
4 and about to hit a 4 hey ..lolol
Can't have got his looks from you though ??
lol
It's a bugger when people think you're illiterate because you're a Tradie (my son's words not mine, he's a Tradie too) AND A NEW AUSSIE AND LOVING IT.
when we all know you like short things, sentences, drinks, rides, sex OMG don't go there ! hehe
when we all know you like short things, sentences, drinks, rides, sex
OMG don't go there ! hehe
Om glad you left out a mention of my un unmentionable's as being short too
.....!!! that would have been below the belt..lol.. and far to much information .... Glad to here that you did the string thing Henry ... a little alignment can make ALL the difference when sliding in the wet on ****ed tires at high speed mate .... LOLOL
take care guys ....
#27
06-12-2011, 03:43 AM
Hey:
"HenryM: I got some string out last night and checked wheel alignment. After careful set up I measured about 4 mm misalignment at the front wheel. This equated to less than 1/2 a turn on the brake side chain adjuster to correct. Nothing to write home about you might think. You could hardly see the difference on the adjuster marks"
HenryM, You would not even begin to know how many times the Honda Service Tech Rep was called, when dealerships would report severe handling deficiencies, that would be due to rear wheel mis-alignment. Even some very good mechanics would not catch it because of the minor mis-adjustment, It used to keep me very busy back then, just to insure that there was no trend with any model that was unsafe. When I joined a race team, it would make a huge difference in top speed on race bikes with just 1mm out as tires would wear very quick as things are compounded many fold at a 175 MPH and give a lack of confidence in a bike that was rode earlier with no issues. I wish all bikes had eccentric/concentric chain adjusters, but they have their own problems (Ride height, spinning/movement) So I always tell folks check you alignments and spacing it saves an issue later on.
Dub
"HenryM: I got some string out last night and checked wheel alignment. After careful set up I measured about 4 mm misalignment at the front wheel. This equated to less than 1/2 a turn on the brake side chain adjuster to correct. Nothing to write home about you might think. You could hardly see the difference on the adjuster marks"
HenryM, You would not even begin to know how many times the Honda Service Tech Rep was called, when dealerships would report severe handling deficiencies, that would be due to rear wheel mis-alignment. Even some very good mechanics would not catch it because of the minor mis-adjustment, It used to keep me very busy back then, just to insure that there was no trend with any model that was unsafe. When I joined a race team, it would make a huge difference in top speed on race bikes with just 1mm out as tires would wear very quick as things are compounded many fold at a 175 MPH and give a lack of confidence in a bike that was rode earlier with no issues. I wish all bikes had eccentric/concentric chain adjusters, but they have their own problems (Ride height, spinning/movement) So I always tell folks check you alignments and spacing it saves an issue later on.
Dub
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#28
06-12-2011, 03:50 AM
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Hey:
"HenryM: I got some string out last night and checked wheel alignment. After careful set up I measured about 4 mm misalignment at the front wheel. This equated to less than 1/2 a turn on the brake side chain adjuster to correct. Nothing to write home about you might think. You could hardly see the difference on the adjuster marks"
HenryM,You would not even begin to know how many times the Honda Service Tech Rep was called, when dealerships would report severe handling deficiencies, that would be due to rear wheel mis-alignment. Even some very good mechanics would not catch it because of the minor mis-adjustment, It used to keep me very busy back then, just to insure that there was no trend with any model that was unsafe. When I joined a race team, it would make a huge difference in top speed on race bikes with just 1mm out as tires would wear very quick as things are compounded many fold at a 175 MPH and give a lack of confidence in a bike that was rode earlier with no issues. I wish all bikes had concentric chain adjusters, but they have their own problems (Ride height, spinning/movement) So I always tell folks check you alignments and spacing it saves an issue later on.
Dub
"HenryM: I got some string out last night and checked wheel alignment. After careful set up I measured about 4 mm misalignment at the front wheel. This equated to less than 1/2 a turn on the brake side chain adjuster to correct. Nothing to write home about you might think. You could hardly see the difference on the adjuster marks"
HenryM,You would not even begin to know how many times the Honda Service Tech Rep was called, when dealerships would report severe handling deficiencies, that would be due to rear wheel mis-alignment. Even some very good mechanics would not catch it because of the minor mis-adjustment, It used to keep me very busy back then, just to insure that there was no trend with any model that was unsafe. When I joined a race team, it would make a huge difference in top speed on race bikes with just 1mm out as tires would wear very quick as things are compounded many fold at a 175 MPH and give a lack of confidence in a bike that was rode earlier with no issues. I wish all bikes had concentric chain adjusters, but they have their own problems (Ride height, spinning/movement) So I always tell folks check you alignments and spacing it saves an issue later on.
Dub
.... nice post Dub !!!
#29
06-13-2011, 04:02 AM
Dub,
that was interesting. Thanks.
I'd make you right about the importance of wheel alignment at 175 MPH, even 1mm out. When you think about it though it's going to make a difference at all speeds but may just not be quite so noticeable on the steering.
It would be nice to have an even more accurate way of doing alignment as string is, to say the least, approximate.
I found a neat little idea that some guy has come up with. A DIY lazer alignment jig which I thought would be worth slotting in here.
DIY Wheel Alignment Tool - Real Classic Motorcycle Rebuild Techniques
I think I'm going to make one of these. It must be about as accurate a method as you can get.
As the paddies would say..... T'be sure, T'be sure!
Another thing I've noticed, just this morning in fact, is that the bike has a much better castor action than ever before. If I take my hands off the bars it just stays straight. I have a feeling that from time to time I inadvertently apply a little pressure to the bars, one side or the other, which pushes the bike out of line slightly. As the bike tries to straighten up against my pressure on the bars it caused the bars to oscillate gently until I realised what I was doing. Take the pressure off (and I'm talking about the relaxed weight of my arm) or apply an equal pressure on the other side and it's stable again. It sounds obvious but I guess it's so easy to do something that can upset the handling without even knowing you're doing it, until you realise what's going on.
Again, the better the bike is set up, the more it shows up weaknesses in the rider.
that was interesting. Thanks.
I'd make you right about the importance of wheel alignment at 175 MPH, even 1mm out. When you think about it though it's going to make a difference at all speeds but may just not be quite so noticeable on the steering.
It would be nice to have an even more accurate way of doing alignment as string is, to say the least, approximate.
I found a neat little idea that some guy has come up with. A DIY lazer alignment jig which I thought would be worth slotting in here.
DIY Wheel Alignment Tool - Real Classic Motorcycle Rebuild Techniques
I think I'm going to make one of these. It must be about as accurate a method as you can get.
As the paddies would say..... T'be sure, T'be sure!
Another thing I've noticed, just this morning in fact, is that the bike has a much better castor action than ever before. If I take my hands off the bars it just stays straight. I have a feeling that from time to time I inadvertently apply a little pressure to the bars, one side or the other, which pushes the bike out of line slightly. As the bike tries to straighten up against my pressure on the bars it caused the bars to oscillate gently until I realised what I was doing. Take the pressure off (and I'm talking about the relaxed weight of my arm) or apply an equal pressure on the other side and it's stable again. It sounds obvious but I guess it's so easy to do something that can upset the handling without even knowing you're doing it, until you realise what's going on.
Again, the better the bike is set up, the more it shows up weaknesses in the rider.
#30
06-14-2011, 03:50 AM
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Dub,
that was interesting. Thanks.
I'd make you right about the importance of wheel alignment at 175 MPH, even 1mm out. When you think about it though it's going to make a difference at all speeds but may just not be quite so noticeable on the steering.
It would be nice to have an even more accurate way of doing alignment as string is, to say the least, approximate.
I found a neat little idea that some guy has come up with. A DIY lazer alignment jig which I thought would be worth slotting in here.
DIY Wheel Alignment Tool - Real Classic Motorcycle Rebuild Techniques
I think I'm going to make one of these. It must be about as accurate a method as you can get.
As the paddies would say..... T'be sure, T'be sure!
Another thing I've noticed, just this morning in fact, is that the bike has a much better castor action than ever before. If I take my hands off the bars it just stays straight. I have a feeling that from time to time I inadvertently apply a little pressure to the bars, one side or the other, which pushes the bike out of line slightly. As the bike tries to straighten up against my pressure on the bars it caused the bars to oscillate gently until I realised what I was doing. Take the pressure off (and I'm talking about the relaxed weight of my arm) or apply an equal pressure on the other side and it's stable again. It sounds obvious but I guess it's so easy to do something that can upset the handling without even knowing you're doing it, until you realise what's going on.
Again, the better the bike is set up, the more it shows up weaknesses in the rider.
that was interesting. Thanks.
I'd make you right about the importance of wheel alignment at 175 MPH, even 1mm out. When you think about it though it's going to make a difference at all speeds but may just not be quite so noticeable on the steering.
It would be nice to have an even more accurate way of doing alignment as string is, to say the least, approximate.
I found a neat little idea that some guy has come up with. A DIY lazer alignment jig which I thought would be worth slotting in here.
DIY Wheel Alignment Tool - Real Classic Motorcycle Rebuild Techniques
I think I'm going to make one of these. It must be about as accurate a method as you can get.
As the paddies would say..... T'be sure, T'be sure!
Another thing I've noticed, just this morning in fact, is that the bike has a much better castor action than ever before. If I take my hands off the bars it just stays straight. I have a feeling that from time to time I inadvertently apply a little pressure to the bars, one side or the other, which pushes the bike out of line slightly. As the bike tries to straighten up against my pressure on the bars it caused the bars to oscillate gently until I realised what I was doing. Take the pressure off (and I'm talking about the relaxed weight of my arm) or apply an equal pressure on the other side and it's stable again. It sounds obvious but I guess it's so easy to do something that can upset the handling without even knowing you're doing it, until you realise what's going on.
Again, the better the bike is set up, the more it shows up weaknesses in the rider.
hey , om gunna say it , ........we are ONLY talking about 4ft (1200mm) between axles !!!
I have been string lining bike's, just like my racing mate's of years gone by for bloody centuries !!! ...... strewth .... are we REALLY suggesting that near ANYONE!!!! here !!! ...rides at race speeds on the roads??? and needs such super fine lazer alignment .. ???
***** !!! ...and please remember that I DO ride like a mad man possessed most of the time whether you believe it or not ....
(16 Bike Licenses lost does say something)LOLOL ...and I have raced quite a bit way back ....
buy hey , all you deep pocketed guys that think
?? you ride like a bloody banshee on drugs , go for it !!!! lazer yu chit yu wheels to death !! lolMe , om good to go with a 20c piece of string .....
BTW .......
This is yet another one of the MANY cases that I see on these boards where , personally , I think too many guys get way too deep into over kill adjustment and maintenance ....
**** .... it gets too me to see guys tearing there bikes apart and tinkering with every friggin thing that can be tinkered with , just to go potter around the Hyways ar a snails pace ??
lololagain ...just my 2c worth ....
no offense Henry , or too anyone!!! ...ok ....
New riders read our chit and I DO NOT want every new rider that reads our stuff thinking that they can not ride there bikes without ripping into ever bloody nook and cranny to adjust everything to friggin death , using 2011 technology before they enjoy there CBR at Hway speeds .....
....
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