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RE: Standard Tires & Cam Chain
88Redblack:
Since every body has some thing to say here is My 2 cents worth, First I have an 1988 CBR 1000F, since I could not find and was having wx cracking problems while in one of the hottest places in the world , I changed my bike to a newer swingarm and forks, I found on Ebay a whole wrecked US model 93 CBR 1000F and a bunch of 96 and 99 model CBR 1000F Euro/Middle East spares, for my bike. The bikes are not that different so as all the stuff Red Baron was talking about is probally very accurate concerning putting Radial ply tires on other than wheels made for them, I decided to not take that risk and changed to the newer
wider 5.5x17 rear wheel and the 3.5x17 front and went to the speedo mount on the drive chain cover from the new bikes with linked brakes. I also changed to the newer body work which was a huge deal and rode my bike for weeks without any body work till I could make the right mounts. The seat and rear cowl were time consuming during this conversion but I like the way it looks. I have a 180 rear and a 120 Front Metzler M1 tires and get fair to good miles from them now that I live in NC USA, 2-3000 rear 4-5000 front before I replace them. I never got that amount of miles from the bias plys before I converted to the radial wheels tires. and it never handled as good as it does now. The cost of the wheel/tire conversion has paid for itself in tire savings alone as well as a way better ride quality and tire selection.
It was pretty easy to do as long as you get the 90 or newer swingarm, brake mounts, brakes, (both f/r matching Calipers and discs), forks, wheels and drive chain cover/sprocket drive (to eliminate the front wheel speedo drive off the older wheels)and front fender from the same year groups 90-92 or 93-00 depending on where you live. A 93-00 is the same bike minus colors of the body work, the body work change is probally not worth it and as the prices of the newer ones keep rising I would not do it again for the time it took lining it all up.
I have owned all 3 body types 87-89, 90-92, and 93-00 and they have alot of the same parts (engine minus head) and many very different, (mostly body/fairing) , there is a definite improvement evolution as they get newer for a sport tour type rider. but not for a sport only rider.
I really have enjoyed the CBR 1000F as a daily rider, a sport tour bike, and a drag bike. they seem to last well and parts can be cheap if you are willing to wait for the right deal, but performance parts can be really hard to find. Many other Honda parts can be substituted from VFRs and other CBR models to improve your bike, that will work with little or no mods.
Thats all I have to say. There is other ways to modernize your bike many Euro riders and most Middle Eastern riders mod the crap out of the bike they ride. since they are not all legal warped like many Americans can be.
Good luck and enjoy a really fun to ride bike safely....
Since every body has some thing to say here is My 2 cents worth, First I have an 1988 CBR 1000F, since I could not find and was having wx cracking problems while in one of the hottest places in the world , I changed my bike to a newer swingarm and forks, I found on Ebay a whole wrecked US model 93 CBR 1000F and a bunch of 96 and 99 model CBR 1000F Euro/Middle East spares, for my bike. The bikes are not that different so as all the stuff Red Baron was talking about is probally very accurate concerning putting Radial ply tires on other than wheels made for them, I decided to not take that risk and changed to the newer
wider 5.5x17 rear wheel and the 3.5x17 front and went to the speedo mount on the drive chain cover from the new bikes with linked brakes. I also changed to the newer body work which was a huge deal and rode my bike for weeks without any body work till I could make the right mounts. The seat and rear cowl were time consuming during this conversion but I like the way it looks. I have a 180 rear and a 120 Front Metzler M1 tires and get fair to good miles from them now that I live in NC USA, 2-3000 rear 4-5000 front before I replace them. I never got that amount of miles from the bias plys before I converted to the radial wheels tires. and it never handled as good as it does now. The cost of the wheel/tire conversion has paid for itself in tire savings alone as well as a way better ride quality and tire selection.
It was pretty easy to do as long as you get the 90 or newer swingarm, brake mounts, brakes, (both f/r matching Calipers and discs), forks, wheels and drive chain cover/sprocket drive (to eliminate the front wheel speedo drive off the older wheels)and front fender from the same year groups 90-92 or 93-00 depending on where you live. A 93-00 is the same bike minus colors of the body work, the body work change is probally not worth it and as the prices of the newer ones keep rising I would not do it again for the time it took lining it all up.
I have owned all 3 body types 87-89, 90-92, and 93-00 and they have alot of the same parts (engine minus head) and many very different, (mostly body/fairing) , there is a definite improvement evolution as they get newer for a sport tour type rider. but not for a sport only rider.
I really have enjoyed the CBR 1000F as a daily rider, a sport tour bike, and a drag bike. they seem to last well and parts can be cheap if you are willing to wait for the right deal, but performance parts can be really hard to find. Many other Honda parts can be substituted from VFRs and other CBR models to improve your bike, that will work with little or no mods.
Thats all I have to say. There is other ways to modernize your bike many Euro riders and most Middle Eastern riders mod the crap out of the bike they ride. since they are not all legal warped like many Americans can be.
Good luck and enjoy a really fun to ride bike safely....
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RE: Standard Tires & Cam Chain
ORIGINAL: CBR1988
...Many other Honda parts can be substituted from VFRs and other CBR models to improve your bike, that will work with little or no mods...
...Many other Honda parts can be substituted from VFRs and other CBR models to improve your bike, that will work with little or no mods...
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RE: Standard Tires & Cam Chain
ORIGINAL: Red Baron
Why wouldn't they???
The tires are different in design and perform/behave differently under load while rolling.
Why wouldn't they???
The tires are different in design and perform/behave differently under load while rolling.
ORIGINAL: Red Baron
Am I missing something here?????
Am I missing something here?????
ORIGINAL: Red Baron
Questions for you dad:
Since there are no ill effects from changing bias to radial(so you say), is there any ill effect in mounting a tire backwards????
Questions for you dad:
Since there are no ill effects from changing bias to radial(so you say), is there any ill effect in mounting a tire backwards????
Many of the best track vendors will know which ones can be swapped, too. And the main reason isn't even water displacement but the way the tread blocks meet the road, shredding the edges, sometimes causing cupping, too. Some are worse than others that way. It may also be a slight difference in grip but it will be small, miniscule. You'll get WAY more change in grip with a pound of tire pressure, wear, and heat cycles than you will the way a tread block's meeting the road.
There are a lot of tires that are structurally fine to run either way even though they ALL have directional arrows. I do it all of the time at the track to optimize wear. It should be verified with the manufacturer first to be sure the carcass isn't direction specific. As far as rain? Your front tire is WAY more important than the rear and NOT because of traction issues but because of the way the front clears the water for the rear. The front has to be able to handle the virgin pavement and handle displacing the laying water. The rear has dramatically less water to displace and can actually be in fairly poor shape and still work fine. Yup, it's surprising until you think about it and see it demonstrated in a factory technical video.
ORIGINAL: Red Baron
Also, what are your tire pressure recomendations for these Dunlop radials mounted on 88RedBlack bike and why???
Also, what are your tire pressure recomendations for these Dunlop radials mounted on 88RedBlack bike and why???
In reality, the recommended pressures are VERY averaged for wear and grip. If you don't mind a little extra wear, you can run 32 front and 36 rear all day long on a radial. On the highway, you'll unecessarily wear flat spots on the rear but it won't be dangerous to the tire construction at all. In extreme cornering, the traction will be better. You can optimize them for wear and conditions if you know what you're doing and don't mind changin
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RE: Standard Tires & Cam Chain
WOW!!!![sm=funnypostabove.gif]
Why are you so upset/worked up for???!!![sm=dontgetit.gif]
Do you feel you have to blow your own horn for attention and respect???
Do you believe, that with posting that long soap opera, you know what you are talking about and people will listen to you???.
You might not be a "chump that fell off a turnip truck", but you sure sound and look like one to me.[sm=smiley2.gif]
You have missed the point again.
I will continue to do what I believe is right(follow Honda and the tire manufacturers) and you can continue to give out irresponsible advise.[sm=badidea.gif]
So this matter is closed for me.[sm=closed.gif]
PS. Boy, you sure can crank out some crap
I put in alot of smilies for you, so you can lighten up.
My talk, has always been about tires for the STREET bike on the road, not the track.
The TRACK, as I have mentioned before, is a different environment.
Last questions: Have you been a "CHUMP" for 37 years or are you 37 yo.????
Because, if you have been a Chump for 37 years, how old are you now???
When did you started on motorcycles????
Or, have you been a Chump since birth???
LOL[8D]
Why are you so upset/worked up for???!!![sm=dontgetit.gif]
Do you feel you have to blow your own horn for attention and respect???
Do you believe, that with posting that long soap opera, you know what you are talking about and people will listen to you???.
You might not be a "chump that fell off a turnip truck", but you sure sound and look like one to me.[sm=smiley2.gif]
You have missed the point again.
I will continue to do what I believe is right(follow Honda and the tire manufacturers) and you can continue to give out irresponsible advise.[sm=badidea.gif]
So this matter is closed for me.[sm=closed.gif]
PS. Boy, you sure can crank out some crap
I put in alot of smilies for you, so you can lighten up.
My talk, has always been about tires for the STREET bike on the road, not the track.
The TRACK, as I have mentioned before, is a different environment.
Last questions: Have you been a "CHUMP" for 37 years or are you 37 yo.????
Because, if you have been a Chump for 37 years, how old are you now???
When did you started on motorcycles????
Or, have you been a Chump since birth???
LOL[8D]
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RE: Standard Tires & Cam Chain
ORIGINAL: Red Baron
WOW!!!![sm=funnypostabove.gif]
Why are you so upset/worked up for???!!![sm=dontgetit.gif]
Do you feel you have to blow your own horn for attention and respect???
Do you believe, that with posting that long soap opera, you know what you are talking about and people will listen to you???.
You might not be a "chump that fell off a turnip truck", but you sure sound and look like one to me.[sm=smiley2.gif]
You have missed the point again.
I will continue to do what I believe is right(follow Honda and the tire manufacturers) and you can continue to give out irresponsible advise. [sm=badidea.gif]
So this matter is closed for me.[sm=closed.gif]
PS. Boy, you sure can crank out some crap
I put in alot of smilies for you, so you can lighten up.
My talk, has always been about tires for the STREET bike on the road, not the track.
The TRACK, as I have mentioned before, is a different environment.
Last questions: Have you been a "CHUMP" for 37 years or are you 37 yo.????
Because, if you have been a Chump for 37 years, how old are you now???
When did you started on motorcycles????
Or, have you been a Chump since birth???
LOL[8D]
WOW!!!![sm=funnypostabove.gif]
Why are you so upset/worked up for???!!![sm=dontgetit.gif]
Do you feel you have to blow your own horn for attention and respect???
Do you believe, that with posting that long soap opera, you know what you are talking about and people will listen to you???.
You might not be a "chump that fell off a turnip truck", but you sure sound and look like one to me.[sm=smiley2.gif]
You have missed the point again.
I will continue to do what I believe is right(follow Honda and the tire manufacturers) and you can continue to give out irresponsible advise. [sm=badidea.gif]
So this matter is closed for me.[sm=closed.gif]
PS. Boy, you sure can crank out some crap
I put in alot of smilies for you, so you can lighten up.
My talk, has always been about tires for the STREET bike on the road, not the track.
The TRACK, as I have mentioned before, is a different environment.
Last questions: Have you been a "CHUMP" for 37 years or are you 37 yo.????
Because, if you have been a Chump for 37 years, how old are you now???
When did you started on motorcycles????
Or, have you been a Chump since birth???
LOL[8D]
I hope the posts I made were helpful to somebody. That's why I do this. Share the experience and passion with others. Many miles, books, and individuals have helped me along the way in my many (37 to be exact) years of riding and wrenching, and I'm happy to give back, share and help where I can. Happy Motoring. You too, Mr. Baron.
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RE: Standard Tires
ORIGINAL: 88RedBlack
To All who replied,
I really appreicate everyones input on this topic. I really didn't want to create an upsetting topic just looking for advice from all the knowledge thats out there.
Again thanks
Ed
88 Red & Black
To All who replied,
I really appreicate everyones input on this topic. I really didn't want to create an upsetting topic just looking for advice from all the knowledge thats out there.
Again thanks
Ed
88 Red & Black
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