Fork Brace?
#11
I push the bike so hard at times that the weak point is the tire grip. I run with S/T tires and I slide the bike way before the front end starts to wiggle. I personally don't think that by adding more unsprung weight to the front tire will help the bike handle any noticeable amount. When a member was asking about a head damper a while ago, the conclusion was that these bikes are rock solid up front and don't need one.
Yes, I have noticed a little wiggle now and then but it was on rough roads under breaking in the turns. Any bike will do this with or without a brace.
dietDrThunder, How is your fork oil? Maybe it should be changed out with 10 or 15W oil and add a few cc's extra.
With the bike on the center stand, loosen and then re-tighten the lower triple clamp and then do the top.
How are the front wheel bearings?
The worse case is the fork legs are warn out.
The front end should not feel like you have described.
The Telefit link supplied by kilgoretrout shows that part #FS99 will fit all CBR1000F's.
Last edited by TimBucTwo; 11-24-2009 at 09:25 AM. Reason: Added last statement about Tetefit.
#12
First, Coerce doesn't have one for my bike. Bummer. I'm gonna email Telefix today.
Ok, re: the usefulness of a fork brace. Front wheel bearings are brand new (see my trip report from Sept.), steering head bearings are new, the forks have been rebuilt this summer with 1.05 springs and slightly heavier fork oil, etc. There is nothing broken per se.
If you are interested to see how flexi-flier the front end of the bike is, put it on the center stand, stand in front, block the wheel with your foot, and turn the bars. If you're in a decent spot for leverage, you should have no trouble deflecting them several degrees. Is the bike rideable and fun in this state? Of course. I've already spent a day instructing at a track day with the bike in its current state...no problem. Will it be improved vastly with a fork brace? Absolutely.
If you haven't ever done a before and after on a big heavy bike with a relatively spindly front end re: fork brace install, I don't blame you for having these questions. Also, if you haven't spent much time on a more modern bike with a more rigid front end, same deal. Having done both, more than once, I can tell you that the handling of this bike would be transformed with a fork brace.
When I ride the bike through Deal's gap, or on a track at speed, transitions from one side to the other most readily demonstrate this. I can feel my steering input first going into flexing the forks, then turning the wheel and the bike. This delay/wind-up is easily fixable with a brace. Also, front suspension action is much better with a brace (or stiffer forks). When I trail brake with any enthusiasm on this bike, the forks pretty much stop working. I am confident that this is because they're twisted with the turning/braking force, causing 'stiction.' ...also fixed w/ a fork brace.
On a side note, I have rebuilt the linked brakes twice, and while they appear to be in perfect working order, I can't stand them on aggressive twisty road (or track, but the bike wasn't intended for that riding). They have too much rear bias, so as to make trail braking a very touchy endeavor. So, I a probably going to work on un-linking them. I'm considering accomplishing this by fitting an entirely different front end to the bike. One in particular that seems promising to me would be an FZ1 front end. Nice and stiff, fully adjustable/re-valvable, amazing brakes, lighter front wheel...cool looking I like mucking around with surgeries like this, and I love the CBR (except for the brakes and the forks), so it seems like a worthy target...and winter is long. We'll see
Thanks for your input everyone!
Ok, re: the usefulness of a fork brace. Front wheel bearings are brand new (see my trip report from Sept.), steering head bearings are new, the forks have been rebuilt this summer with 1.05 springs and slightly heavier fork oil, etc. There is nothing broken per se.
If you are interested to see how flexi-flier the front end of the bike is, put it on the center stand, stand in front, block the wheel with your foot, and turn the bars. If you're in a decent spot for leverage, you should have no trouble deflecting them several degrees. Is the bike rideable and fun in this state? Of course. I've already spent a day instructing at a track day with the bike in its current state...no problem. Will it be improved vastly with a fork brace? Absolutely.
If you haven't ever done a before and after on a big heavy bike with a relatively spindly front end re: fork brace install, I don't blame you for having these questions. Also, if you haven't spent much time on a more modern bike with a more rigid front end, same deal. Having done both, more than once, I can tell you that the handling of this bike would be transformed with a fork brace.
When I ride the bike through Deal's gap, or on a track at speed, transitions from one side to the other most readily demonstrate this. I can feel my steering input first going into flexing the forks, then turning the wheel and the bike. This delay/wind-up is easily fixable with a brace. Also, front suspension action is much better with a brace (or stiffer forks). When I trail brake with any enthusiasm on this bike, the forks pretty much stop working. I am confident that this is because they're twisted with the turning/braking force, causing 'stiction.' ...also fixed w/ a fork brace.
On a side note, I have rebuilt the linked brakes twice, and while they appear to be in perfect working order, I can't stand them on aggressive twisty road (or track, but the bike wasn't intended for that riding). They have too much rear bias, so as to make trail braking a very touchy endeavor. So, I a probably going to work on un-linking them. I'm considering accomplishing this by fitting an entirely different front end to the bike. One in particular that seems promising to me would be an FZ1 front end. Nice and stiff, fully adjustable/re-valvable, amazing brakes, lighter front wheel...cool looking I like mucking around with surgeries like this, and I love the CBR (except for the brakes and the forks), so it seems like a worthy target...and winter is long. We'll see
Thanks for your input everyone!
Last edited by dietDrThunder; 11-24-2009 at 10:02 AM.
#13
Gee Doc, that's a pretty interesting observation. When I first got the bike I looked for a fork brace because my son's bike has one, and it really feels solid up front (though I never get to ride it), but I couldn't find one that was like his, and maybe none at all except the "universal" type, which seemed pretty cheesy. So as I rode, I moved into the Classic camp, never felt the need (but I'm clearly not the level of rider that might feel the need) and I've never been on any of the new stuff to know the difference. I know Classic rides like a ..... pro.... , so that gives me a little comfort for my putting around. But your description sure gives a guy the itch. And it makes me remember how I first felt about my son's 90F.
#14
On a side note, I have rebuilt the linked brakes twice, and while they appear to be in perfect working order, I can't stand them on aggressive twisty road (or track, but the bike wasn't intended for that riding). They have too much rear bias, so as to make trail braking a very touchy endeavor. So, I a probably going to work on un-linking them.
Still there is no substitute for bigger tubes that the newer sport bikes have.
I am definately interested in the feed back of the fork brace mod but only after de-linking. De-linking will make a HUGE differance.
I can't blame you for the choice of different breaks. Mine are de-linked and work far, far better but, still lack in stopping power.
#15
Gee Doc, that's a pretty interesting observation. When I first got the bike I looked for a fork brace because my son's bike has one, and it really feels solid up front (though I never get to ride it), but I couldn't find one that was like his, and maybe none at all except the "universal" type, which seemed pretty cheesy. So as I rode, I moved into the Classic camp, never felt the need (but I'm clearly not the level of rider that might feel the need) and I've never been on any of the new stuff to know the difference. I know Classic rides like a ..... pro.... , so that gives me a little comfort for my putting around. But your description sure gives a guy the itch. And it makes me remember how I first felt about my son's 90F.
Last edited by dietDrThunder; 11-24-2009 at 02:48 PM.
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The bike is more than good enough to go as fast as I'm willing to ride on public roads...faster, really.
Not to try and start a riot in this thread , but really guys ...how bloody fast do you have to go to get these 1000F's outta shape to the extent where a brace is going to be of any REAL assistance ??
Like Tim said .... I too , have on many occasions felt the rear slide and even the front go for a little wander on it own , but even then , the bike in general does not wobble or get un controllable ...
I do know a few guys that whack these sorts of additions on there bike mainly because they look kool ....and still never ever ride the dam things that hard that they actually do anything ...
but again , after saying that ... if it starts your wheels , or you are Mad Max on the roads ..then sure , do it ...
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Hey , that's all good ... and I am not trying to debate the pros or cons about braces by any means ...
I do like to just point out to the people that may not be as aware as you Sir .LOL ...that braces only have a certain and limited effect and usually on any reasonably handling bike any effect will only be noticeable at very high end use (EG/ high speed cornering/ flat out in a straight line on bumpy roads ..ect)
I do not want noobs to think that this sort of mod will turn their bike into an amazing machine at normal road speeds, because at normal speeds I defy anyone to tell me that a 1000F will handle or for that matter feel any different or better.. ... thats all ...
and BTW ...I have had a few fork braces on a few bikes before my CBR ...
So , by all means get one , use it , be happy , not a problem ....
Om not actually argueing that point with anyone ...
I do like to just point out to the people that may not be as aware as you Sir .LOL ...that braces only have a certain and limited effect and usually on any reasonably handling bike any effect will only be noticeable at very high end use (EG/ high speed cornering/ flat out in a straight line on bumpy roads ..ect)
I do not want noobs to think that this sort of mod will turn their bike into an amazing machine at normal road speeds, because at normal speeds I defy anyone to tell me that a 1000F will handle or for that matter feel any different or better.. ... thats all ...
and BTW ...I have had a few fork braces on a few bikes before my CBR ...
So , by all means get one , use it , be happy , not a problem ....
Om not actually argueing that point with anyone ...
Last edited by CBRclassic; 11-24-2009 at 04:33 PM.
#19
The Telefit link supplied by kilgoretrout shows that part #FS99 will fit all CBR1000F's.
However, de-linking will be sooooooooooooo much more effective up front than a brace. Penny for penny the de-linking is more expansive due to replacing the lines with S.S. ones but will bring far better results than a braced LBS bike.
Have a beer and chill dude. LOL
As Popeye use to say,"I yam what I yam and that's all that I yam".
The dated 1kF is not a modern sport bike with massive inverted forks. It is a sweet lady that has a nauty dark side. She will not wear you out like the younger sporty ones but, can be riden all day and night long. Threat her with respect and you will be rewarded. De-linking her will release her wicked side.
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Have a beer and chill dude. LOL
anyway ...it don't really matter who it was directed at ...LOL
but I wont sit idly by on a public forum and not tell it how it is in realty ...
( referencing everything that I mentioned above )
This topic is a bit like the wide tire or the brand of tire topic ....it is a touch endless ... LOL
Fork braces do jack chit on a 1000F unless you are low flying ... ANYONE that try's to tell you that at 100 -120 kph (60 - 70MPH) that they make these bikes feel measurably different is just playing with themselves ...
Good condition quality matched tires and a suspension setup to suit your riding style counts for 10 times what any brace will do ...
Last edited by CBRclassic; 11-25-2009 at 01:09 AM.