Figured out the slow steering 96 CBR
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Figured out the slow steering 96 CBR
Well, you guys were right. The tire pressures were down in the low 30's and after I pumped them up to 36/42 psi it handled much better. Also, I wasn't looking very close at the rear tires and thought they were 170's, but they are 180/55R17 which might slow the steering some. Anyway, it's really good now and I just have to take some time to change the chain and sprockets.
Thanks,
Pat
Thanks,
Pat
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#3
RE: Figured out the slow steering 96 CBR
Be careful with that much air in the front. It can lock easier under hard braking. Even a couple of pounds makes a difference. The factory recommends 36PSI for the front and that's what really should be used. The higher pressure might be a little easier on tire wear but does sacrifice hard braking grip.
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RE: Figured out the slow steering 96 CBR
Please, as diplomatically as I can say it, that's just wrong. The pressure on the tire is the maximum pressure for the tire at the maximum load rating and NOT the optimum pressure for every application. The tire's performance is best at the appropriate inflation for the load and conditions and is what the engineers determine from their tests and knowledge. Most, if not all, of the tires, including the OEM's, will have a maximum pressure listed on the sidewall that is higher than the factory recommended pressure. Some tire manufacturer's web sites have tables that list the factory recommended pressures for each model and suggest that they be followed.
Overinflating the front will allow the front to lock much sooner than it will at factory recommended pressures. I know this from an understanding of the principles AND from first hand experience. The same is true for car and truck tires, too.
Overinflating the front will allow the front to lock much sooner than it will at factory recommended pressures. I know this from an understanding of the principles AND from first hand experience. The same is true for car and truck tires, too.
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RE: Figured out the slow steering 96 CBR
Well put dad.
chesthing, proper tire inflation is the key here for tire longevity.
The manufactures start with a tire and build a bike around it. If the design does not work they pick another tire and start to redesign the bike to the tire. Sometimes the go to the tire manufacture and tell them they need a tire for a bike that is still on the drawing boards. Recommended tire pressure is based on veichel weight and stresses.
By over inflating your front tire it will perform poorly in wet conditions and lock early as dad stated (more of a chatter than lock I think in some cases).
chesthing, proper tire inflation is the key here for tire longevity.
The manufactures start with a tire and build a bike around it. If the design does not work they pick another tire and start to redesign the bike to the tire. Sometimes the go to the tire manufacture and tell them they need a tire for a bike that is still on the drawing boards. Recommended tire pressure is based on veichel weight and stresses.
By over inflating your front tire it will perform poorly in wet conditions and lock early as dad stated (more of a chatter than lock I think in some cases).
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RE: Figured out the slow steering 96 CBR
I respectfully disagree with you on this one, dad. The maximum psi for radial car tires is 35 lbs, and that is what should be put in them, a bike tire is no different. Putting 35 psi in a bike tire with a max psi of 42 is like putting 28 lbs in a car tire with 35 max.
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RE: Figured out the slow steering 96 CBR
Here you go. Dunlop's site. Recommended tire and pressure by model. Front pressure, 36 PSI recommended.
Edit: You'll have to scroll down and select Honda and then CBR-1000F, any year. The link won't go direct.
http://www.dunlopmotorcycle.com/fitmentguide.asp
Then the tire data alone including maximum pressure. Max pressure, 42 PSI which is what will be molded into sidewall. This one goes direct.
http://www.dunlopmotorcycle.com/tire...tire.asp?id=74
Edit: You'll have to scroll down and select Honda and then CBR-1000F, any year. The link won't go direct.
http://www.dunlopmotorcycle.com/fitmentguide.asp
Then the tire data alone including maximum pressure. Max pressure, 42 PSI which is what will be molded into sidewall. This one goes direct.
http://www.dunlopmotorcycle.com/tire...tire.asp?id=74
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RE: Figured out the slow steering 96 CBR
chesthing, I am sorry to say that your thinking is incorrect.
On a car, an under inflated tire wears on the outsides and an over inflated tire wears on the center of the tire. If the tire is correctly inflated, the load is distrubited evenly.
Load is the key. If you look at the chart where dad directed you, you will see max load at tire pressure. I have the following.
120/70 17 front
170/60 17 rear
at 42 PSI, I would require 520 lb's of load up front and 783 lb's in the rear for proper tire pressure/load ratio.
That's 1,303 lb's for the vehicle, rider plus fuel. My bike weighs 548 lb's.
OK then, 1303-548=755 lb's for the rider. I am not that heavy but some stress in turns adds to weighting the tire. No-where near the 1303 at max PSI.
On a car, an under inflated tire wears on the outsides and an over inflated tire wears on the center of the tire. If the tire is correctly inflated, the load is distrubited evenly.
Load is the key. If you look at the chart where dad directed you, you will see max load at tire pressure. I have the following.
120/70 17 front
170/60 17 rear
at 42 PSI, I would require 520 lb's of load up front and 783 lb's in the rear for proper tire pressure/load ratio.
That's 1,303 lb's for the vehicle, rider plus fuel. My bike weighs 548 lb's.
OK then, 1303-548=755 lb's for the rider. I am not that heavy but some stress in turns adds to weighting the tire. No-where near the 1303 at max PSI.
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RE: Figured out the slow steering 96 CBR
One more thing to add,
The use of radial tires allows the contact patch of the tire to contact the pavement when the sidewall flexes. Over inflation works against this design, not allowing the tire to flex as it should and the tire will skid or slip in turns.
The use of radial tires allows the contact patch of the tire to contact the pavement when the sidewall flexes. Over inflation works against this design, not allowing the tire to flex as it should and the tire will skid or slip in turns.