Joining recent anti-motorcycle efforts in Jackson, New Jersey and in White Plains, New York, the Police in Oceanside, Long Island are singling out and harassing motorcyclists.

Targeting visitors to Nathan's regular Tuesday night "hang", on Tuesday July 29th, the Hempstead Police installed a checkpoint southbound on Long Beach Road immediately approaching the entrance to Nathan's. This checkpoint was marked by a sign saying "Nassau County Sobriety Checkpoint", but the traffic stop had nothing to do with sobriety and definitely had nothing to do with anything but motorcycles.

Armed with an SPL (sound pressure or "dB") meter, the officers went about enforcing a "local noise ordinance" of 72 dB. Loud cars were ignored, but all manner of motorcycles, including"StreetBikes" and "Harleys",were pulled over wholesale. If you were riding too close to someone with a "loud" bike, you were pulled over too. Guilt by association, and loosely at that! Police pulled over as many motorcycles as they could fit into the parking lot they commandeered for the purpose.

The "local noise ordinance" is an arbitrary figure that has nothing to do with DOT standards, nor any other standard, and the noise tests (observed and photographed by Brad Berson) were conducted unscientifically in an echoing back-alley with the noise meter placed varying distances from the bike and/or exhaust system.

Police at the scene brazenly posed for photographs and boasted that in NY State they have the right to single out any vehicle they please. Mentions of constitutional implications and references to probable cause went un-answered. The Police maintained the roadblock for the duration of the evening.

Jackson NJ - home of Six Flags Great Adventure - recently redirected DOT funds intended for alcohol awareness publicity at motorcycle events in order to pay for its motorcycle-only traffic stops.

Westchester NY's Police Department is currently targeted in a class-action law suit for recently targeting motorcycles travelling to Danbury CT's "Super Sunday". For more information see http://www.moto-mag.com/news/blacksunday.html .

In spite of these motorcycle-harrassment stops, police were only able to issue statistically unremarkable numbers of summonses. This only proves again that their efforts would be better spent sticking to finding drunks drivers and criminals no matter how many wheels they choose to use.

F'n cops... grant it I've got friends in the force and I've run into some cool officers, but for some reason (mainly my last college town harrasment from the local PD) I just cant stand cops when they pull **** like this. Makes the whole force look bad and I for one just keep losing what little respect I had for em.

Sorry to the guys on the forum who are PD, more power to ya and stay cool, but work this from the inside guys, stupid **** like this is just another reason why I run.

Seems like they are always out to get us no matter what we are doing......I got followed on my way home from work right up till I turned into my driveway by a state trooper.....he was just waiting for me to do something...

I HATE COPS....

why do thay waste there time doing stuff like this. it is not the guy on the bike with a loud pipe that kills a family of 3. it is the dumb ass that is drunk in the suv.

ORIGINAL: bobjoezx

I HATE COPS....
+103424930248302948

Fricken Cops ........ :eek:

I get harrassed all the time going into the front gate at the base. I go through year-round on my bike, and this one asshole will always give me some crap,. The navy has a regulation about what gear and such you have to wear, I have read the instuction and am very familiar with it. In short, reflective, brightly colored clothing, sturdy footwear, long sleeves, pants and gloves. I ride in red Fieldsheer gear with my work-boots, steel-toed leathers. Going through the other day, he gives me crap about not wearing a reflective vest. I say the regulation requires reflective, brightly colored clothing...wich my riding jacket fits the bill. He says, are those shoes steel toed? I say yes but they don't have to be....so he gets pissed and directs me off to the inspection lane and gives me crap. I say I'll be back and educate him. I go to my shop, print out the regulation and ask him to show me where I was in violation....he just gives me this ummmmm ummmmm well, you don't have to be uncooperative crap...I say whatever, if your gonna enforce rules you might want to know them first. Maybe I was worse off for it but every time that dude is working the gate he gives me a thourough once over, just lookin for something with this ****-eatin grin on his face. I mean, it's cool if you go through the gate in some POS withone headlight out, bald tires, and no turn signals, seat layed back so you cant see over the dashand your tunes up so loud it shakes the cars in the line, but holy hell, don't be on two wheels! Amazing.

shock it's the military man, inform his super...

wow 72db[:@] ! here in cali we have a 95 db limit

ORIGINAL: txmorgan

shock it's the military man, inform his super...


I called the Security officer, he said he wasn't familiar with that reg and threw me a bunch of lame questions and BS. Oh well, not like it's every morning or anything, just when I happen to get him in my line when I pull up, even then, I better be A-J squared away, but I always am fully geared up so nothing the guy can do except be a ****head.

Okay, I have mixed feelings here, so I'm going to explain myself very thoroughly........

Yes, some cops are out of line targeting mainly sportbike riders in some areas. Luckily, I haven't had that problem here in my city, the cops around here are pretty cool.

-BUT-..........can you really blame them 100%??.......here's my reasoning backing my argument.........

Not all sportbike riders are "responsible" people. There are squids and jackasses amongst us that don't care about the image they protray as sportbike riders. These riders (i'll use the term "squids" from hereon) install extremely loud D&D (for example) exhaust systems on their bikes, knowing they're WAY too loud. To make things worse, these "squids" ride around residencial zones at 2 am in first gear waking the dead. So yeah, I can see that if there's enough complaints (and squids to complain about), things like this will happen.

In fact, I called the police on a neighbor about a week ago (major jackass by the way), because he's running open headers on a Camaro. Doesn't bug me, but he cruises around the neighborhood at 2-3 am every freaking night, and it woke me up everynight for weeks on end. So I confronted him about the situation, he continued to be a jackass, then he made it a routine to blip the throttle while passing my house everynight. Needless to say, when I filed the complaint, the noise stopped. Same thing can be applied to irresponsible sportbike riders too.

But Remember, there's only a bias towards us because of the few that go out and ruin it for the rest of us. If people weren't getting pissed off at the noise level of the bikes (which is the riders responsibility), then there wouldn't be any motorcycle noise ordinances. So don't blame the cops 100%, blame the irresponsible riders that rev the bikes and ride at high rpms with loud exhaust systems through residencial zones at 3 am. THOSE people are the source of the problem, not the officers.

Just something to think about. Comments and retaliations welcome.

I used to go to that nathans all the time but the cops have been harrassing people the last few summers...just not as extreme as a fake sobriety test....
BS, if you ask me....what about the drunk drivers that get waved past because they're not on a bike?????????

ORIGINAL: Blue Fox

Okay, I have mixed feelings here, so I'm going to explain myself very thoroughly........

Yes, some cops are out of line targeting mainly sportbike riders in some areas. Luckily, I haven't had that problem here in my city, the cops around here are pretty cool.

-BUT-..........can you really blame them 100%??.......here's my reasoning backing my argument.........

Not all sportbike riders are "responsible" people. There are squids and jackasses amongst us that don't care about the image they protray as sportbike riders. These riders (i'll use the term "squids" from hereon) install extremely loud D&D (for example) exhaust systems on their bikes, knowing they're WAY too loud. To make things worse, these "squids" ride around residencial zones at 2 am in first gear waking the dead. So yeah, I can see that if there's enough complaints (and squids to complain about), things like this will happen.

In fact, I called the police on a neighbor about a week ago (major jackass by the way), because he's running open headers on a Camaro. Doesn't bug me, but he cruises around the neighborhood at 2-3 am every freaking night, and it woke me up everynight for weeks on end. So I confronted him about the situation, he continued to be a jackass, then he made it a routine to blip the throttle while passing my house everynight. Needless to say, when I filed the complaint, the noise stopped. Same thing can be applied to irresponsible sportbike riders too.

But Remember, there's only a bias towards us because of the few that go out and ruin it for the rest of us. If people weren't getting pissed off at the noise level of the bikes (which is the riders responsibility), then there wouldn't be any motorcycle noise ordinances. So don't blame the cops 100%, blame the irresponsible riders that rev the bikes and ride at high rpms with loud exhaust systems through residencial zones at 3 am. THOSE people are the source of the problem, not the officers.

Just something to think about. Comments and retaliations welcome.


Good points fox, I think that both groups have individuals that ruin it for the rest of them, bikers and cops alike.... However in my case I am on the bikers side simply because I'm not a cop. It's circumstantial and I realize that not every cop (or biker) is a pain, but I still hate cops for more than just the bike harrasement.

First of all, the cops on the street have nothing to do with their commanding officers requiring their participation in these, "round-ups."

It's not the cops you hate, they are drones doing as their told to kepp their jobs. Not much different from anyone else sweeping the floor of their factory because the boss said so.

No my friend, what you hate is the political agenda behind it. This whole thing, it's bigger than a cop. It's bigger than a politician, in fact it's bigger than the United States. Anyone who ever thought that free will existed on a level above the common man is just plain wrong.

Your free will is the only thing that seperates you from the demon shapeshifters that rule the world...

Now, if I had read that statement 36 hours ago, I would have laughted. Unfortunately I have spend the last 24 hours picking my jaw up off the floor in amazement of what I had been sheltered from... the truth.

I know this isn't the time and place, but it's related. The cops you speak of and that are one the street have nothing to do with this, it's the players behind the scenes. Your frustration as a response to it is calculated as well.

We are nothing more than a real life Sims game with a few people at the ultimate controller. The Earth is Satans playground.

Unreal... sorry, but true.

I have assuredly lost all credibility I may have gained from members on this forum.

Kid I wouldn't say you lost any credibility man, however it's 9:22am where I am and I haven't had my coffee yet, I have no idea what any of the stuff you wrote means. Way to philosophical and complicated for me in the morning...;)

P.S.
I still hate cops.

^ kid, you have taken away all my illusions ! i feel scared [sm=helpout.gif]lmao

It's easier to dismiss as philosophical and silly or crazy.

It's amazingly quite simple. The key to theirsuccess (which is eminent), is the constant conformity of thought and action. We are being programed and humanity always has been - that is the ultimate goal...

CONTROL!

I'm so twisted right now... I wish I could say I have no idea what I'm talking about. I wish I could say y life hasn't changed in the last 2 days. Man...

i am in training to become an officer, and am in no way going to relate to these guys who pullthese kinds of bogus stops

I will have a double dose of whatever KID has been taking. Sounds like some good **** man
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I am no "conspiracy theorist"... but I do think it sucks when cops - OR THEPUPPET MASTERS- pull **** like that.

Whoa, for some reason the Muppets theme song just popped into my mind: "It's time to get things started on the most sensational, inspirational, celebrational, muppetational -This is what we call the Muppet Show." Or some of us call it the CBR Forum ;)

ORIGINAL: jjkukla

"conspiracy theorist"

Those quotation marks represent their ability to control. By using quotation marks, you disassociate yourself from the very foundation of humanity...

Free Will.

You have been programed to approach the subject cautiously so as not to commit one way or the other... allowing yourself to be molded, to be controlled,while allowing yourself to believe you have choice of decision when in fact you have no decision, you have no choice. Your free will is being stripped from you in front of your very eyes. Your cautious approach is identified by your use of quotation marks and speaks volumes about their ability to control the masses.

Your Free Will is all you have, your Free Will is what makes you human, as they strip your Free Will, they replace it with s system, a government, multiple governments - all to create problems and present solutions to problems they created - all to condition your mind, ALL TO MAKE IT APPEAR YOU, THE PEOPLE, HAVE MADE THE CHOICE OF ACTION - and the action it appears the people have chosen is exactly the solution that was planned long before effctively meaning...

They have created an Earth where it's inhabitants assume they have Free Will to chose and decide their own fate when in fact they are being conditioned to be unlitiately controlled. This is bigger than speculating voting systems or elections, world politics, finance or media. This is beyond the scope of the imagination until you begin to excersise your Free Will.

Every key player in history can be linked by lineage to the Freemasons. Every name you've ever heard has been part of the same organization, regardless of their public perception (i.e. Hitler [real name was Rothschild], B. Franklin, both Bushs', all European Royal families, etc.). They are all members of the Freemasons, which ultimately answer to the Illuminati - an alien race of shapeshifting demons who have secured their bloodlines by creating the hybrid race which exists in the 13 bloodlines of the Illuminati on Earth.

You will find by research that every historical eventcan be traced back to one of these 13 families over and over and over - why???

Because they control the world andthe masses of it'sinhabitants. Total control is the ultimate desire and when that goal is met will be when every last person on Earth either pledge their Free Will to Satan or refuse it... only the people won't realize they have given their Free Will, they will believe that they are following the righteous beliefs of a New World Order and that it is the way of the light. At that point Satan has total domination of planet Earth. The results of this culmination are up for debate - is Satans goal to assemble an army to wage war with God?

At this point, I don't even know if my idea of Heaven is safe from programming. All I know, is that as long as I have my Free Will, I will be with God.

Mods do with this what you feel is necessary- but the world has changed for me in 2 days and I couldn't help but express myself here, where it was that I was enlightened by a link from another member that started my whole research on the topic.

The Earth is Satans playground. The Earth was created by God for a place for evil to exist.The Earthis the balance of good and evil.

whoa, erm... did you just watch/read the da vinci code or national treasure or something???

All that I know is that our department was asked by FHP [who right no I have no respect for. I have respect for the officers and position, just not theway the handle their jobs and techniques] to help control the "Biker Community" and their "ridiculous acts of enjoyment" by stopping atleast 10 bikes a day, checking their legality for being on a bike and by helping in their clean up situation. Our chief to the to shove it and do it themselves. Our department doesnt look for bikers, however, doesnt have a problem pulling them over or stopping them when they are in the wrong. I dont know, like Kid said, if it is neccesarly the officers you should be hating as much as it in those in charge and the goverment officals pssing these laws.

Now dont get me wrong, there are those a$$es out there that have a thing agaisnt bikers, but I guess it is just like the biker world for us police officers. "There is the 5% of the population out there ruining it for the rest of us."

I don't even know if my idea of Heaven is safe from programming.

Now this is sounding like some Matrix type ****.

Whatever it is you believe in, well I am glad you believe in it so strongly. There aren't too many people whose convictions are as strong as your's are. I guess that is because THEY want it that way -those damned alien, demon, Freemason bastards.

BTW I don't think the mods will do anything (i.e. remove) to your posts - it's not like you're asking us to drink the Kool Aid with you or anything [sm=icon_cheers.gif]

Wouldn't matter. The Illuminati control Hollywood as well. Those movies don't begin to scratch the surface.

Look at the names of every person in charge of, or in a manipulating position, in regards to healthcare (who licenses doctors? who sets the standards the doctors obtain and learn from? Who creates the curriculum... the government - which is controlled by the Illuminati).

Any situation or historical event you can imagine, look at the players involved. They are all the same group of people over and over and over. They are the bloodlines of the Illuminati. It will frighten you if you seriously get off your butt and do some research.

To be convinced, I only ask you to research the players involved in ANY situation in the history of the world. They are all connected because it is in fact the same people and bloodlines. It truly is both frightening and euphoric.

Most people spend their entire lives with a constant nagging notion that they are not being fulfilled by their religions - which is the only thing most people feel they truly have - that no one can take it from them...

Guess what? Not only can it be taken, it was fed to them in the first place. Every single person responsible for starting any religionhave footholds within the Freemasons - EVERY RELIGION ON EARTH WAS CREATED BY THE SAME GROUP OF PEOPLE TO OFFER HUMANS A "CHOICE." Religions exist to give a human the feeling that they have a choice in life...

THEY DO NOT! There is no choice, there is only Free Will. They are controlling the masses by allowing them tobelieve they have Free Will - and the masses don't realize that even though they can, "choose" their religion - THEY RELIGION WAS CREATED FOR THEM TO CONVINCE THEM THAT THEY HAVE FREE WILL.

I am sounding like a madman and I am not. I am sounding like a theorist and I am not. These are not my intentions, but it is the intention of the Illuminati to prevent humans from excersising their Free Will. When they present you with created options and make them appear random or almighty and you buy into it - you have essentially relinquished your Free Will unknowingly like a drone. Like a slave.

The masses are slaves and are in active recruitment for Satans army.

That is some Hardcore stuff right there, but more power to you for having such strong beliefs.

I say do what you feel is right and never follow someone, other than yourself.

The only thing I care about is the time when Man and Machine becomeONEwhen that happensnothing else matters.
There is nothing more Thrilling or Enjoyable than that moment, and no matter how many laws are passed or how many bikes get pulled over this Lifestyle will never fall no matter how Hard They Try!!!

If the historical Earth was a crime scene, we the police would be asking why the same people are found at every scene. Detectives find answers this way...

Yet we have been programmed to ignore it. The same people are responsible for every aspect of history yet we fail, as a human race,to ask why.

ORIGINAL: JakesF2

The only thing I care about is the time when Man and Machine becomeONEwhen that happensnothing else matters.

When applied to riding motorcycles...

That statement is hardcore!

+1

wow this talk is so pointless. Just Rev your f*cking Bike on purpose and pay your ticket.
Then Rev your engine and run away like this guy F*CK THE POLICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Here's my philosophy, free will is being able to speed 45 MPH in a 25 past a cop. They cant physicaly program our brains. But they can make life tough for us. Personaly, i dont have a problem with any LEO because i've never had to really deal with them. Although, they did search my buddies car when all that was wrong was we had a headlight out, but he is a known crook. No one unless they are a pschopath does something for no reason. Everyone has a reason for doing something, be it a good one or not, wrong or right, you decide, but its reason enough for that person.

ORIGINAL: KidCr3nshaw

Wouldn't matter.Â* The Illuminati control Hollywood as well.Â* Those movies don't begin to scratch the surface.

Look at the names of every person in charge of, or in a manipulating position, in regards to healthcare (who licenses doctors?Â* who sets the standards the doctors obtain and learn from?Â* Who creates the curriculum... the government - which is controlled by the Illuminati).

Any situation or historical event you can imagine, look at the players involved.Â* They are all the same group of people over and over and over.Â* They are the bloodlines of the Illuminati.Â* It will frighten you if you seriously get off your butt and do some research.

To be convinced, I only ask you to research the players involved in ANY situation in the history of the world.Â* They are all connected because it is in fact the same people and bloodlines.Â* It truly is both frightening and euphoric.

Most people spend their entire lives with a constant nagging notion that they are not being fulfilled by their religions - which is the only thing most people feel they truly have - that no one can take it from them...

Guess what?Â* Not only can it be taken, it was fed to them in the first place.Â* Every single person responsible for starting any religionÂ*have footholds within the Freemasons - EVERY RELIGION ON EARTH WAS CREATED BY THE SAME GROUP OF PEOPLE TO OFFER HUMANS A "CHOICE."Â* Religions exist to give a human the feeling that they have a choice in life...

THEY DO NOT!Â* There is no choice, there is only Free Will.Â* They are controlling the masses by allowing them toÂ*believe they have Free Will - and the masses don't realize that even though they can, "choose" their religion - THEY RELIGION WAS CREATED FOR THEM TO CONVINCE THEM THAT THEY HAVE FREE WILL.

I am sounding like a madman and I am not.Â* I am sounding like a theorist and I am not.Â* These are not my intentions, but it is the intention of the Illuminati to prevent humans from excersising their Free Will.Â* When they present you with created options and make them appear random or almighty and you buy into it - you have essentially relinquished your Free Will unknowingly like a drone.Â* Like a slave.Â*

The masses are slaves and are in active recruitment for Satans army.



No offense, but digging deeper into this "truth" that you are proclaiming will only further push you into a "shell" like state. What if the "Illuminati" was behind this "truth" you've been reading, watching and learning about? What if this "truth" is just a bunch of radical theory's to push you into an anarchy with the government. What if this "Illuminati" is a terrorist recruiting method? Think about it.

Again, no offense, but this "truth" you are writing about on here sounds VERY familiar to terrorist recruiting sites. I'm talking a few classes on terrorism at the university and what you are proclaming is DANGEROUSLY close to terrorism recruiting sites. Be careful what you read. Not everything on the internet is the "truth."

guess what...if anything happens to you while riding...guess who comes to the scene first to help you...COPS...
you hate them cuz you got ticket for speeding?...you hate them cuz your god damn pipes are so loud?...what if that was you that have to listen to that **** everyday...just don't break the god damn law and you'll be fine...

ORIGINAL: cksean

guess what...if anything happens to you while riding...guess who comes to the scene first to help you...COPS...
you hate them cuz you got ticket for speeding?...you hate them cuz your god damn pipes are so loud?...what if that was you that have to listen to that **** everyday...just don't break the god damn law and you'll be fine...


+1 .........A little more blunt than what I said earlier, but the point remains the same.http://www.cbrforum.com/micons/m9.gif

Have mixed feelings since Iown a sportbike and am a cop.

First I think it is BS that this department in the story set up a DUI check point and used it to target motorcycles. If the department received a federal grant for this check point (since it was set up for DUIs) they could be it alot of trouble for misuse of federal grant money. Second if they wanted to set up a motorcycle check point...then why hide it. Call it a noise ord. check point and do it. Not saying everyone would be ok with it but at least they know why they are being singled out.

As far as motorcycles are being singled out....yes cops can legally do this, and here is why. Lets use the example of a DUI checkpoint. This check point is set up for the inspection the diver of any motor vehicle that pass through it. But here is the rule...the officers must have set guidelines on what cars they will stop. They can stop every car, every other, every 10th, etc. etc. This prevents an officer from profiling cars and picking them out at "random". In this case if the officers true intentions were to conduct inspections on motorcycle exhaust they can stop everyone of them that pass through a check point.

One last point a police officer does not need probable cause to stop you. He or she only needs reasonable suspicion. If an officer wants to issue a ticket or make an arrest that is when they need probable cause. In the case of a noise ord.....an officer can pull you over if he or she reasonably believes that your exhaust is over the city db limit. If they give you a ticket then they have to prove that your exhaust is in fact over the city db limit.

"If they give you a ticket then they have to prove that your exhaust is in fact over the city db limit."

Sorry, but they don't have to prove anything unless you take them to court. Look at how many tickets are thrown out.

Yeah, but you can fight any ticket in court. And if they didn't do the testing in a DOT approved method thenyou are out of there.

MDFF

The two posts above are not entirely true. Some cities or counties have certain subclause ordinances. Like where I work, there is a db issue OR if stereos can be heard more than 25 ft away or if exhausts can be heard more than 10ft away at an idle or 75 away at a normal accelerating speed.Most cites have ordinanceslike such because a lot of departments no not have the expensive equipment,so they add subclauses that they can administer.

ORIGINAL: D2MEclipseGT_600RR

The two posts above are not entirely true. Some cities or counties have certain subclause ordinances. Like where I work, there is a db issue OR if stereos can be heard more than 25 ft away or if exhausts can be heard more than 10ft away at an idle or 75 away at a normal accelerating speed.Most cites have ordinanceslike such because a lot of departments no not have the expensive equipment,so they add subclauses that they can administer.


And make an abitrary judgement on the street? Interesting...

MDFF

Yes, thats how its done. Let me tell you, If I can hear your stereo at 2 oclock in the morning for 2 blocks away, your arse is getting a ticket and there isnt much to do to contest that.all the cars ahve cameras with sound so, anything I can here, it can here, so there is my proof.

I guess it makes more sense if you have a camera. If it was just his word that he might have heard it Iwould probablyhave an issue with that.

MDFF

Well, sometimes we dont use them. Its a big Spring Break town, so tickets are handed out right and left, and most are out of state and wont come back to contest and will just pay the $74.50 or $114.50 for the non-moving violations.

Must be nice.

MDFF

ORIGINAL: D2MEclipseGT_600RR

The two posts above are not entirely true. Some cities or counties have certain subclause ordinances. Like where I work, there is a db issue OR if stereos can be heard more than 25 ft away or if exhausts can be heard more than 10ft away at an idle or 75 away at a normal accelerating speed.Most cites have ordinanceslike such because a lot of departments no not have the expensive equipment,so they add subclauses that they can administer.


This is true in MO. We have an ord. that allows us to write a ticket for a car radio that can be heard from over 50 feet away. In these cases we do not need any special equipment to measure the db level.

ORIGINAL: Blue Fox

I'm talking a few classes on terrorism at the university and what you are proclaming is DANGEROUSLY close to terrorism recruiting sites. Be careful what you read. Not everything on the internet is the "truth."



And once you get anywhere near the truth they hit you with Anti-Semitism or attack your character by claiming that you are participating in a terrorist organization. Haha, predictable indeed.

Hey Fireplug, where are you in Missouri?

Kansas City

ORIGINAL: fireplug

ORIGINAL: D2MEclipseGT_600RR

The two posts above are not entirely true. Some cities or counties have certain subclause ordinances. Like where I work, there is a db issue OR if stereos can be heard more than 25 ft away or if exhausts can be heard more than 10ft away at an idle or 75 away at a normal accelerating speed.Most cites have ordinanceslike such because a lot of departments no not have the expensive equipment,so they add subclauses that they can administer.


This is true in MO. We have an ord. that allows us to write a ticket for a car radio that can be heard from over 50 feet away. In these cases we do not need any special equipment to measure the db level.

same here in cali. all a officer needs is their "best judgement" and they can give you a noise violation ticket. because for the cops to be properly trained to use DB meters and the money it would cost to keep them calibrated it would be too much money. so the law here is if the cop believes its too loud then they give ya a ticket and send you to the state ref and they preform the test. or you can just pay the full price of the ticket and be on your way. either way they win

ORIGINAL: KidCr3nshaw

ORIGINAL: Blue Fox

I'm talking a few classes on terrorism at the university and what you are proclaming is DANGEROUSLY close to terrorism recruiting sites. Be careful what you read. Not everything on the internet is the "truth."



And once you get anywhere near the truth they hit you with Anti-Semitism or attack your character by claiming that you are participating in a terrorist organization. Haha, predictable indeed.

Hey Fireplug, where are you in Missouri?


Agreed.

Just because they taught it to you in school doesn't mean it's true. I don't actually see what Kid's ideas have to do with terrorism. If you have a problem with what he says, then attack that, but don't attack his character.

And just because you read something about this "truth" from some website or book doesn't mean it's true either. And I challenge you to find a quote where I'm attacking his character.

Some people take things WAY too literally around here. Lighten up.

wow, this topic is getting big

ORIGINAL: cksean

guess what...if anything happens to you while riding...guess who comes to the scene first to help you...COPS...
you hate them cuz you got ticket for speeding?...you hate them cuz your god damn pipes are so loud?...what if that was you that have to listen to that **** everyday...just don't break the god damn law and you'll be fine...


Not to hate man but F**K that. Dude I have been in several situations where i NEEDED the police and they were nowhere to be found. Then I go through years of harrasment by my college town cops, and when I move to Scottsdale get harrased by the local bored out of their mind rich neighborhood cops.

To me cops are always there when you DONT need them and never there when you DO.

ORIGINAL: txmorgan

ORIGINAL: cksean

guess what...if anything happens to you while riding...guess who comes to the scene first to help you...COPS...
you hate them cuz you got ticket for speeding?...you hate them cuz your god damn pipes are so loud?...what if that was you that have to listen to that **** everyday...just don't break the god damn law and you'll be fine...


Not to hate man but F**K that. Dude I have been in several situations where i NEEDED the police and they were nowhere to be found. Then I go through years of harrasment by my college town cops, and when I move to Scottsdale get harrased by the local bored out of their mind rich neighborhood cops.

To me cops are always there when you DONT need them and never there when you DO.



i gotta agree with txmorgan. cops are usually always around when you dont want them to be and when you finally do need them it takes forever or when they do get there, they tend to treat your problem like it isnt that big of a deal. some cops love to pick on us and its fine because sometimes we do deserve it. doing 125 mph wheelies on the freeway .. sure pull my ass over . if im riding around butt ass naked doing burn outs , yep you got me again. i just dont see the point in pullin me over because my yoshi pipe is a lil loud as long as i am not reving it way out . ill give a cop respect from the start but after that it can start going down depending on how he/she treats me. and it isnt always people breaking the law who get punished. ive seen bikers get pulle dover when their bikes is completly stock and they are riding perfectly normal and flollowing all the rules, cop just wanted to pull them over and check em out. no other reason than he had nothing better to do. especially towards the end of the month when cops have the "quotas" to fill. it becomes quite scary out there

ORIGINAL: txmorgan

ORIGINAL: cksean

guess what...if anything happens to you while riding...guess who comes to the scene first to help you...COPS...
you hate them cuz you got ticket for speeding?...you hate them cuz your god damn pipes are so loud?...what if that was you that have to listen to that **** everyday...just don't break the god damn law and you'll be fine...


Not to hate man but F**K that. Dude I have been in several situations where i NEEDED the police and they were nowhere to be found. Then I go through years of harrasment by my college town cops, and when I move to Scottsdale get harrased by the local bored out of their mind rich neighborhood cops.

To me cops are always there when you DONT need them and never there when you DO.



LOL...911 always works for me...
I guess you have way too many bad experiences with them...