I have a stock geared 600rr and can't seem to power up 2nd gear stand ups. I've been going 65 and can pull them maybe a foot in the air but no higher. I don't want to clutch it so what should I do?

CLUTCH IT...powering up wheelies is dangerous and it just looks stupid. Stand staggered with your left foot on the passenger peg and your right foot covering the brake. Just start out clutching it a little to get the feel for it and then just keep clutching it harder and harded until you can clutch it straight to balance point. I have clutched up a stock 03 600rr in 3rd on the highway at 70 and in 2nd at 30 so it will come up no problem..Clutching seems scary at first but it is so much easier and way more predictable once you get the hang of it.

When you were in 2nd doing 30 what rpms did you clutch it at?

I have no clue I never look at the gauges you just get a feel for it after awhile and its just like shifting, you just know when...Just clutch it alittle and if it doesn't come up alittle more and just keep at it man and you will get it in no time..Just take it slow and cover the brake

Is stagared that much easier? I feel retarded and uncomfortable when I stand like that. Should I try normal then stagared?

if you're uncomfortable do it normal just to get used to it coming up when u clutch it. It's easier to hit the balence point and control in a staggered position simply because your weight is distributed to the rear tire more which enables you to keep the bike at a lower angle to reach the bp. I got used to it coming up witha normal stance then once you figure out the feel for clutching it, attempt the staggered and get down ur bp.

It feels really wierd at first but it is 100 times easier. When your staggered it takes the weight off your arms and its easier to cover the brake plus well for me atleast clutchin it while standing on the front pegs just doesn't feel right. I hated staggered at first cause I felt all off balance but I just went and practiced for a couple hours and then it felt so much better..

Not meant to hijack, but this goes along with your staggered comment..... How you guys keep your rear peg from folding up on you? Ever had any problems? I dont wanna be haulin ass and lose a foot, all while on one :)

I have never had a peg fold or seen it happen to anyone and I have been doing standups staggered for like 3yrs..I did see a guy on a new GSXR 1000 going about 80 on the highway standing on the front pegs and the left peg broke off and he crashed really bad. It was crazy cause the bike was perfect and had never been dropped and he wasn't a big guy just average size..But we all ride honda's so its ok they are not junk.

I have never had a peg fold or seen it happen to anyone and I have been doing standups staggered for like 3yrs..I did see a guy on a new GSXR 1000 going about 80 on the highway standing on the front pegs and the left peg broke off and he crashed really bad. It was crazy cause the bike was perfect and had never been dropped and he wasn't a big guy just average size..But we all ride honda's so its ok they are not junk.
+1 on the hondas even though i like suzuki. one of my friends drilled a small hole in his rear pegs on his gixxer 1000 and put a screw in there so they wouldn't fold up it worked pretty good.

Mine has never folded in. And Staggered is the way to go. Look at Turnin20s and Scott982's sig. Both staggered (pretty sure) and they look siiiick.

Yeah I don't have the balls yet to hit the BP, but I'll be there shortly. My next set of tires I plan on puttin about 8000 miles on the rear tire, and about 3000 on the front. :D

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I have no clue I never look at the gauges you just get a feel for it after awhile and its just like shifting, you just know when...Just clutch it alittle and if it doesn't come up alittle more and just keep at it man and you will get it in no time..Just take it slow and cover the brake

I'm glad you said that cuz I hate it when people say "rev it to 7000 rpms and pop the clutch." Man I'm not trying to look down at my gauges, I'm looking up ahead that way I know that when I see the sky it's like time to hit the rear brake.

scotts recommendation with the left foot on the passenger peg and the right foot on the front peg is the way to go, that i how I started learning the standups, and it is WAY easier than having both feet on the front pegs, it only felts wierd for me about the first 5 or 6 times, then it starts to feel normal, it is much easier to balance too.
Also to keep my peg from folding in, I put the center of my foot extremely close to the inside of the passenger peg, trying to focus my weight on the hidge of the peg, and not the peg itself, it has worked great so far, but I like the screw idea too, I may look into that.

Ive never had the peg fold on me before and I have been doing "Stagered" Wheelies for a long time now. As for the clutching it up. I never clutch it up unless I am doin a sit down wheelie because I dont like how the bike comes up powering it like that. But in stand ups I just rip it up there and it brings me right to the balance point. Infact I think it looks worse to clutch the bike up because it slingshots up there. You can control how fast the bike comes up in a power wheelie. If you rev the bike up and clutch it than its going to spring up there.

so you're saying your not in control when you clutch it up?

No cause you are releasing a stored up amount of power that you can over jump very easily. Powering up something and releasing it with full force is more dangerous than progresively raising the wheel with a steady amount of power.

ORIGINAL: DThompson

No cause you are releasing a stored up amount of power that you can over jump very easily. Powering up something and releasing it with full force is more dangerous than progresively raising the wheel with a steady amount of power.

i have to say you got that one backwards. i curious to see your power wheelie up to the bp, if you get a chance post a vid

yea, power wheelies are scary. not only when you're doing them but when someone's doing one behind you!! i ****ing hate that ****...

ORIGINAL: DThompson

You can control how fast the bike comes up in a power wheelie.---->>>WRONG If you rev the bike up and clutch it than its going to spring up there.------>>>ISN"T THAT THE POINT?



Sorry man, but you aren't making sense. When I first started doing standups I was powering them up, which is stupid now. First of all you have to be going between 40-50 (for me at least) and blip the throttle and pull back, kind of an accident waiting to happen. Then you have to chase the front wheel to get it to come up to BP and by then you are already going 70 or so. But now when I clutch them up I can get them up at 25 or so in 2nd gear and ride them between 45-50 no problem. The point of clutching them is to get the bike to BP as quick as possible, and that is what you should be going for. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that I'm doing everything right and I'm deffinately not the best at it, but I have been out and done both and this is what I have learned in the past few months. Just cover the brake and clutch the bike up, but if you want to wreck keep on powering them up, one time you will chase too hard and it will be all over from there and we will see a post on here titled "Wrecked The Bike Today" there are already plenty of those on here right now.

-Jesse-

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ORIGINAL: DThompson

No cause you are releasing a stored up amount of power that you can over jump very easily. Powering up something and releasing it with full force is more dangerous than progresively raising the wheel with a steady amount of power.

i have to say you got that one backwards. i curious to see your power wheelie up to the bp, if you get a chance post a vid



+1

I will post some video when I can. Right now the bike is out of commision. Needs a new fuel seal because it just got repainted.

Anyways I think I will just stay being skilled at doing my Power wheelies and you guys can keep clutching it up. Really I think if your bike has the power than why are you clutching it if you arent doing slow wheelies. I can see if you are in town and you only have a short distance but if you are on the highway and have an unlimited stretch of road than there is no reason at all to clutch the bike up.

I think there's something to be said for both approaches. I have been one that never clutches unless i'm sitting down, but i purposely went this weekend and took the time to practice clutching just to evaluate the feel. I can bounce my 600RR up in any gear consistently, and i have 6 wheelie variations currently in my arsenal. I am by no means an expert stunter, but i can wheelie for as long as i choose to wear my arms out. After evaluating both methods this weekend, this is what i have come to decide:

I can definitely see the advantages in clutching a wheelie while attempting slow wheelies. I can bounce my bike up quickly to the BP in 2nd at 35-40 mph, but can see where this ability is limited due to the simple fact that the bike's rpms are not high enough at 20mph to quickly bounce the bike up (causing you to have to "chase" the bike up) This is where clutching becomes helpful, because it allows you to tap that power that's not available at low speed.

However, when it comes to the highway, i have to say that i prefer to simply bounce my bike. My bike will pull quickly up to the BP in 3rd gear at anything over 55 mph, and i find that this is more comfortable for me. One advantage i have found is that it allows me to keep all my fingers of my left hand on the grip===might seem like something miniscule, but it makes a world of difference in my feeling of stability. It's not that there's anything wrong with clutching it up, and many people do, but i think that for someone who is experienced enough in bouncing to simply pull it right up to the balance point, it is less to worry about than having to clutch it. I have bounced/powered my bike up in every gear other than 6th, and this is simply my opinion.

Here's the thing---to each his own!!! I've seen people loop it trying to clutch a wheelie, and i've seen people power it up and keep right on goin over. If you're comfortable with something, do it until it's easy, then experiment. Learn to bounce AND to clutch---it will open up more opportunities to wheelie and only make you a better rider. Wheelies are dangerous in themselves, so who cares if one way is supposedly more dangerous than the other?:D

God i sound like an old man. lol

-Adam